It’s been a long time, I shouldn’t have left you without a dope post to step to.

August 16, 2007

Thanks, Palette, for reminding me I’ve neglected this blog.

 For once, it’s not just laziness. I’ve had a rough month taking care of a sick old dog.  I think I have him to the point where he can be maintained, but it’s kind of gut-wrenching to know that, at best, I’ve got a year or two with him.

 So, I’m going to rectify that. 

 You know what I miss? INTERNERD DRAMA. Internerd drama is awesome. That’s maybe the thing I miss most about doing The Low Road. I was never Graeme McMillan, or anything, but I loved pointing out and mocking some of the crazy histrionics of the internerd in my own, special way. 

 I thought I grew out of it, actually.   I mean, blogging lightly about comics and classic film? Doesn’t lend itself to the real investment in the happenings of the blogosphere or the forum world or anything like that.  Plus, we’ve got Dick doing it awesomely.

Still, sometimes the drama touches on things I wanted to write about anyway.  This time, it’s turf warfare, a concept as old as, well, turf.  I found a thread on the Classics Forum at Comic Book Resources (arguably the least drama-filled comics subforum on the internerd, those classics cats).  In it, a poster points out an interesting comics-related web site  from Mr. Kitty he stumbled across: 

This website features some fascinating and hilarious material, assembled by one or more people who are both funny and highly knowledgeable about comics. Check it out today! 

However, Stupid Comics rubbed Scott Shaw! (of Oddball Comics) the wrong way:

Gosh, what a unique website. And jeepers, such a clever name, too. I wonder where these geniuses came up with the idea for “Stupid Comics” anyway?

Seriously, ODDBALL COMICS has already covered a lot of this material, and with much more depth, information and humor. (“Stupid Comics” numerous “fucks” and “Goddamns” don’t particularly enhance the commentary material either, in my opinion.) I’ve been doing my Oddball Comics slideshow since around 1975 or so, probably long before the people behind “Stupid Comics” were even born or able to read. Sites like this and “Superdickery” strike me as being amateurish and generally scornful of comics.

So please consider me overwhelmingly underwhelmed.

You know, people express their passions in weird ways.  Some of us good-naturedly mock ourselves and the things we love.  And some of us become very proprietary about ideas we hold dear, evidently.  I’m in the former category–recovering Irish Catholic upbringing, and all of that–and Shaw! appears to be in the latter.  His latter comments in that thread demonstrate some very weird rhetorical tricks designed to make him appear to have the high ground, but fall flat.

 The big one that sticks with me is this:

Speaking of being on “the right track”…

– At SDCCI ‘07, I recently did my ODDBALL COMICS show to a SRO audience of over 1,000 people who were kept laughing throughout the performance.

– I’ve been doing variations on my ODDBALL COMICS show at conventions all over the country, spanning four decades.

– I’ve been writing my ODDBALL COMICS column for the Internet for over seven years, first here at Comic Book Resources (where it won a “Corey Award” for “Best Column”) and now on its own website.

– Kitchen Sink published a boxed set of my ODDBALL COMICS trading cards, which was one of the finalists for an Eisner Award for “Best Comics-Related Product”.

– Avalanche Press published my ODDBALL COMICS calendar.

– Last year, my live ODDBALL COMICS show had a very successful eight-week run at Hollywood’s ACME Comedy Theater.

“Pedantic and tiresome”? Looks like a lot of people would disagree with you, Dave.

On the other hand, as someone who has worked with a number of top Canadian entertainers (I produced and directed two animated SatAM TV series “starring” Martin Short and John Candy, THE COMPLETELY MENTAL MISADENTURES OF ED GRIMLEY and CAMP CANDY, as well as storyboarding a MacKENZIE BROTHERS Internet cartoon, all of which also featured voiceover performances of most of the legendary cast of SCTV), I think that I’m somewhat qualified to congratulate “Stupid Comics” for disproving that often-held theory that Canada’s chief export is comedic talent.

Where to start, where to start…

  • Those 1,000 people? Likely older, reverential comics fans.  Let’s face it–humor falls along demographic lines more often than not. 
  • The appeal to longevity doesn’t really work if the counterargument is that the method is tired and, therefore, not as funny or valuable as it once was.
  • That “other people disagree” with the value of Oddball Comics rings hollow when people are disagreeing with Shaw! regarding the value of Stupid Comics.
  • The closing back-handed compliment just, well, isn’t the way to go if the whole point of condemning the cats at Stupid Comics for being too snarky, is it?  It strikes me as kind of like saying to someone “Hey, your antisemitism offends me! Those kikes have feelings too!”

What really bothers me, though, is the claiming of turf.  An idea isn’t something one can really hold onto.  Hell, as I’ve written before, an idea in and of itself is not of any value until it’s executed well.  Here, we have two different sites, both taking inspiration from similar material, and executing it in different ways.  Oddball Comics isn’t my cup of tea.  Maybe it’s yours.  Enjoy your tea, or something, but I’m going to stick with this new flavor of coffee I just found at Stupid Comics.

EDIT: If you want to track the other side of the discussion, you can also view the thread at Shaw!’s forum.

Typing that exclamatian point hurts the inner prescriptivist grammarian I thought I had completely eradicated.

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 Unrelated: my friend James sent me this web-comic, and I just had to share it with everyone else.  It’s always nice to see people mocking the white heteronormativity that happens within American superhero comics–not because it’s something that needs saying, as I think most people recognize it, but because it’s fun to watch the people who vehemently disagree with it get all hot-and-bothered about it.

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  • 1. Matt Algren  |  August 16, 2007 at 11:38 am

    The day you outgrow internerd drama is the day you should pack it in. It isn’t all this good, and sometimes it’s downright bad in the wrong way. But when it’s good, it’s wonderful. This one, for example, is glorious.

  • 2. Scott Petersen  |  August 16, 2007 at 11:52 am

    The fight between “Oddball Comics” and “Stupid Comics” over who is “better” strikes me as inane as, if not more inane than, debates among comics nerds about who’s stronger, Hulk or Superman.

    Because, obviously, it’s the Hulk, since “the madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.”

    Um, what was my point again?

  • 3. Aditi Das  |  August 16, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    Hi Ed!
    I see you finally posted content. That follow up link to the site! was glorious in its hilarity and sheer cussed wrongness, especially in reference to “intellectual property”. I wish Aristophanes was around to kick his ass, because clearly he was the first guy to take something he loved and make fun of it.

    brekekex koax koax!

    -Das

  • 4. Ed Cunard  |  August 16, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    It would be more fun if it was Theogenes.

    Hooray for jokes that few people get.

  • 5. Jess  |  August 17, 2007 at 6:11 pm

    Nerd.

  • 6. Palette  |  August 17, 2007 at 11:08 pm

    Wow… that’s a reference I didn’t get. Doesn’t happen to me often, Ed…

  • 7. NYM  |  August 19, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Hey Stranger! Glad I found you :-)

  • 8. f-dot chong rutherford  |  August 20, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    Holy crap, there’s an entry!

    On the one hand, I think I understand (if not agree with) where Scott Shaw is coming from. I mean, he’s an artist–so he traffics in ideas and the execution of them. He’s been executing his particular idea longer than the other guys–and manages it without the snark. His comics are almost all 100% snark free and such. Plus, Superdickery and the like do get kind of old. “Hey, the Joker said boner–IN TODAY TIMES THAT IS TOTALLY TALK ABOUT PENIS DO YOU GET IT?” It’s like reading something one of my nephews would’ve emailed me when they were still shorter than me.

    On the other hand, the dramatics of the flame battle are pretty snarky–making it both funny AND sad. BUT, whenever someone is passionate about something, hey, they’ll get the lead out.

    FYI: It’s a little known fact that Google is actually powered by internet drama. Every time someone on a message board fights, magical Google faeries descend on the site and read, read read away. Kind of like that whole angel/bell thing in ‘It’s a Wonderful Life.’

  • 9. Ed Cunard  |  August 20, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    Well, F-dot, you and I should hate each other and have an internet boxing match. I’d hate for Google to become the anorexic search engine–rib cages are N-A-S-T-Y.

    Also, I miss you, you crazy fucker. Just an FYI.

  • 10. f-dot chong rutherford  |  August 20, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    I am still in the same places I was a year ago, just with a new job and much, much more fat. I think that another solution to the green power problem might be to somehow attach some kind of electrode thingy to all the parts on me that jiggle at the gym–it’s like a perpetual motion machine!

    Shoot me an email/give me a call anytime! Especially next time you come to the NYC!

    And I will read your blog faithfully when the bi-monthly posts are posted to it. :)

    INTERNERD DRAMA: What about Fantagrahpics Vs. Harlan Ellison: The Settlement? That’s like a flame war that went to court … if you read the settlement, it’s like legalease versions of comments from a moderator. The end result: both parties are on each other’s ignore lists!

  • 11. Dom  |  August 27, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    Internerds make Hulk angry.

  • 12. Palette  |  September 18, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    Been over a month, Ed. Time to update the blog.

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